What covert missions did the SAS do?

Discussion: Covert operation

There is already an undercover mission. Do you really need a second article? --Egeria 17:14, Oct 11, 2010 (UTC)

Not really. Sorry, I had overlooked it, but in itself I think the expression "covert operation" is better and would then like to keep it and make "undercover mission" a redirect .-- Tobi72 19:53, Oct. 11, 2010 (UTC)
But they are two different things, right? Not every covert operation also includes an undercover component, e.g. purely military operations. I just (always) ask myself whether there is any evidence for “Underover.Mission” at all! - Bravomike 20:27, Oct. 11, 2010 (UTC)

So in my opinion it's one and the same. Undercover can be done with both covered as well as secret translate. The definition of a covert operation doesn't go beyond that, does it? In the end, I would keep Covert Surgery. Not only is it a German name. The source has also been secured here. If the term undercover mission is questioned, you could at least keep it as a redirect until someone has taken the trouble to check the sources. --Egeria 17:54, Oct 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's two different things. In English one differentiates between covered and undercover. A covert operation (covered) is simply not visible to the opponent and is also hidden from the view of everyone who is not directly involved. Example: A small military unit operates behind the enemy line without anyone knowing. When they are discovered, however, it is immediately clear who they are. Undercover on the other hand means that the agents involved have a cover identity. They are clearly visible to the opponent, he just doesn't recognize them because he is disguised, has a different name or claims to have different goals. To the times on the very detailed list in the current articleP to apply: T'Pol's mission seems to me only undercover, not undercover. Picard, Worf and Crusher on Celtris III are definitive Not undercover. A couple of other cases could lead to arguing .-- Bravomike 18:08, Oct 12, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, in English one differentiates. What relevance does this have for the German MA? Especially since it is still doubtful whether the term undercover mission even fell into Star Trek. At least some of the examples listed there do not. Picard's mission on Celtris III is simply referred to as a special operation. Selok's appearance as ambassador T'Pel is given no further name at all, and I'm pretty sure that most of the others won't say anything more about it either. --Egeria 21:44, Oct 17, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly! I was always unsure whether the term was used that way. If there is no source for this, then the article Undercover Mission should be deleted completely, without redirecting! But if it falls (and there are a lot of candidates for that: TNG:Fantasy or truth, contacts; DS9:The second skin, The data crystal, Honor among thieves, Overcoming, The prodigal daughter; VOY:The Caregiver, Part I., Speaking of flies, Chaotica's bride, displacement), then I am in favor of keeping the articles separate because they are not the same thing .-- Bravomike 22:16, Oct 17, 2010 (UTC)
Covert operation falls. I'm overwhelmed by the undercover mission .-- Tobi72 10:29 PM, Oct. 17, 2010 (UTC)
At DS9:The second skin When translating undercover assignment, the name Secret Mission is used. Otherwise it is more of an infiltration method. --Andy Riker 14:26, Oct. 18, 2010 (UTC)