Can a revolver get wet?

Water in the barrel - problematic?

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    finally i saw "no country for old men". A fine film that. As one or the other here will surely remember, there is a scene in which the protagonist swims through a river on the run from a dog. As the dog continues to follow him, he escapes to the bank and pulls out his pistol, a 1911 - but before he uses it to shoot the attacking dog at the last second, he unloads it and, with the breech open, apparently blows into the barrel to remove the water that has entered while swimming.

    My question: Is that necessary, or have the filmmakers just come up with something to increase the tension? (The at least it worked ... ) What would happen if you shot with a wet pistol of commercial caliber? I can imagine that there would be effects on the precision - in the situation shown, however, they would not have been of any consequence. Can water in the barrel of a handgun endanger the shooter? Military weapons like the 1911 should also function reliably and safely under conditions other than laboratory conditions, shouldn't they?

    I would be less interested in speculation or urban legends as much as in-depth information from people who are familiar with something like that. Does anyone know what?
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    What I'm saying now is just a guess:

    Modern weapons of war definitely do not mind if they are shot with the barrel wet.
    They are even trimmed as this video shows:
    de.youtube.com/watch?v=BsWy_bosdKk

    Now, of course, you could be angry and claim that an American weapon can't stand that. How it behaves with a somewhat older (not to say outdated) model like the 1911 I don't know.
    I guess in the film it will mainly be a show to increase the tension.
  • I only know the story of a shotgun:
    The hunter had bent down in the wintry forest, a few inches of loose snow pressed into the mouth.
    A short time later the shot resulted in a beautiful flower.
    Obviously, part of the snow was frozen on the inside of the wall and was not pushed out by the column of air in front of the projectile or shot cup.

    and from a light hunting rifle (.222 or 223):
    Basically like above, only there was a little dirt.
    After the shot, the barrel was a bit widened just before the muzzle, but not torn.
    The Büma could still shorten.

    Both stories are from the same arms dealer / Büma.


    Stefan
  • doesn't he blow around the back of the tap? I don't exactly remember the place, but in my head I have that he rumpus somewhere in the back.
  • . Hello .
    A modern weapon can withstand shooting completely underwater, so even when diving, it just makes no sense.
    In addition, a barrel holds the bullet stuck in the barrel to shoot up to 5 times through one after the other, only the barrel is then twice as thick at the point where the 5 bullets are interlocked and slowly tears open. understandable.
  • That really depends on the weapon and how much water is left in the pipe. The G36 and HK416 have fewer problems with holding the gun down briefly to empty the barrel.

    With some other models it can happen that the closure flies around your ears. On Youtube there is also a video flying around somewhere where this happens with an M4.


    Here it is:
    de.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkHktkTxU&feature=related
  • A column of water in the barrel opposes the projectile so much pressure that the acceleration takes place smoothly and evenly.

    A foreign body at the end of the run, on the other hand, is hit with approximately E0, which can then lead to a break.

    A stuck bullet in a modern turret barrel causes problems with the next bullet at the latest, then the barrel has a dent, despite 4mm wall thickness.
    The rest of the revolver remains fully functional as long as the drum can withstand the higher internal pressure.

    In the case of a pistol where the slide runs tightly around the barrel or is guided by it, an expansion of the same by 1-2 tenths is already too much and the weapon jams.
    With many pistols, especially in the .45 range, the barrel wall is significantly thinner than that of the revolver.


    But why was it blown at the back?

    If the firing pin hole is filled with water, this could, depending on the design, slow the firing pin a little (with the P08 a flooded firing pin was introduced at some point so that no more braking air cushion could build up in front of it).



    Stefan
  • For Glock pistols there is also a special firing pin that is made for underwater shooting or "wet" shooting.
    The only difference to normal bolts is that there are milled holes so that any water that may have penetrated the bolt does not slow down.


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  • Original by HWJunkie
    A column of water in the barrel opposes the projectile so much pressure that the acceleration takes place smoothly and evenly.

    A foreign body at the end of the run, on the other hand, is hit with approximately E0, which can then lead to a break.

    [...]

    But why was it blown at the back?

    If the firing pin hole is filled with water, this could, depending on the design, slow the firing pin a little (with the P08 a flooded firing pin was introduced at some point so that no more braking air cushion could build up in front of it).



    Stefan


    That sounds logical. Especially since a foreign object of the right size can hardly evade a strongly ogival rifle bullet - I would guess.

    In the mentioned scene from "No country for old men", however, if I remember correctly, the barrel was "blown dry", not the firing pin. Anyway, it was exciting, especially since it only just went well.
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  • Mud bath ... oh my god, the one with the shovel hits it ...

    But otherwise, they do the same job as me in the video, the final assembly, just with guns ... whether I'll send them a résumé ...
    Should I be wrong in any of my statements
    I take everything back and claim the opposite.